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 Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-05-05 16:36

Sorry for the silence.

3D models are working with animations and smooth-groups. Everything is set up for vertex lighting but I haven't set up the final stage for it yet. I've created a list of things I want to replace with models, and I'm going through and creating all those models. All I've created so far is an ugly, ugly tree, a fully animating well, and a Killwrathy fighter ship, but I'm working on other models.

Utilization of a model is easy: once a model is made, it can be put into the game by putting it in a special directory, and it will automatically load. If there are people out there with experience in low-poly modelling, especially with 3D Studio Max, I'd like help creating models, and I can tell people what I need made (so that no overlapping effort is exerted).

The obligatory (and ugly, for now...) screenshots that show things are working.







-Sam

(Edit by Dominus: The first announcement, screenshots and discussion on Exult3D can be found at http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=21348&t=21348 and it was also discussed in http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=21469&t=21469)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Paulon (---.ihug.co.nz)
Date:   01-05-05 18:49

Now that looks nifty. Seems work is going well. Keep up the good work.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: ericw (---.hs.telusplanet.net)
Date:   01-05-05 19:24

What sort of model format do you use? I remember someone mentioned in the old thread quake2's MD2 format.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Chris Schumacher (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   01-06-05 09:15

I'm guessing you played with legos as a child? :)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Chris Schumacher (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   01-06-05 16:34

Hmmm, those images bring up an interesting point. Eventually you're
going to have to implement sky. It's too bad that thunderstorms are
triggered by stepping on eggs, you could tell a storm was coming by seeing
storm clouds on the horizon.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 00:30

Welcome to your doom, Sam: you struggled to build the first airplane and now people will ask you to add it rockets, warp drive and a coffee machine.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Gradilla Dragon 
Date:   01-07-05 00:35

Someone will certainly ask if you plan to rewrite the Wing Commander engine so we can play it from the original files.

- Gradilla Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-07-05 01:17

Eric: I started with MD2 files, but gave them up after noticing that they take an annoying amount of time to load up for each and every single frame... so I made my own file format, which is dead-simple, and helps me render things *fast* (my model render function is 5 lines and includes no iteration, so it's faster than the "general case" renderer, even for relatively complex models!) I made a little plugin for 3D Studio Max (my modeller of choice) to export the file format, but I could make a file converter if anyone wanted. Here's the format if anyone's interested:

struct ModelFile
{
char m_Texture[32]; // Filename of texture, without extension or path
unsigned short m_NumVerts; // Number of vertices in frame.
// Vertices include 3 floats for each Pos,
// 2 for UVW (texture coordinates), and 3 for normal
unsigned short m_NumTris; // Number of triangles in the frame.
// There will be 3 vertex indices per tri
float *m_VertPos; // float[m_NumVerts*3]
float *m_VertUVW; // float[m_NumVerts*2]
float *m_VertNorm; // float[m_NumVerts*3]
unsigned short *m_Indices; // unsigned int[m_NumTris*3]
};

I'm making good progress on models so far; I've got fences and some other things now, so it's all coming together well. As for sky and all that, I plan to work on the "environment" all at once. That is, I'll add a skybox, lighting, and model shading all at once. Also, someone mentioned that the KillWrathy fighter looked a bit funny, and it does indeed have something very wrong with it that most 3D programmers should be able to spot -- the error has been fixed :) I'm still considering how to do mountains. Part of me knows I should keep them the same height, but another part of me wants to make them tall and grand!

Andrea: I don't know about the rockets, but we are adding a musket. I don't know about a warp drive, but moongates are sparkly. I don't know about a coffee machine, but how about a runeboard, glowing cube and humming box?

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 03:16

Sam, whatever you do: hand me the mountains please! :) As you know I am working out my 3d models all by myself too... with the difference that I am absolutely clueless about 3d modeling.

So mountains are a pain, expecially the "modular" mountains we (I?) need, split up in various pieces, corners, and so on...

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net)
Date:   01-07-05 06:40

This is one of the coolest things I've seen in gaming news all year... ...er, in months. I haven't played u7 in years but it's stuck with me enough to visit the exault site every once in a while.

Mr. Mathews, are you working with Ms. Previtera closely? I saw the screens I believe she posted in the other thread and the stencil shadows were aces.

If you're looking for contributors I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. I don't work especially quickly unfortunately, but I am in the process of trying to pump out a few models for UT2004 that are texture mapped as you can see. I'm not a very good texture artist, but I imagine I can't do any worse than the original sprites looked...



...Each of those is a few thousand tris though. Have you done any poly stress tests to see what your renderer can take?

Also, do you use any kind of acceleration or is it all software rendering? It'll be interesting if someone had to write another exault layer to get this to work on future machines.

Here's hoping you can figure out a way to get the horizon in along with the skybox.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 07:31

Ahem. Let me recap:

- I am not a "she", "Andrea" is a male name in Italy (and I don't get why it's female elsewhere, since it comes from the ancient greek "Andrieas" which means something in between "Warrior" and "Male", so it's the most unappropriate female name ever! :) )

- I and Sam aren't working together, yet we're doing something similar. He's working on Exult code so that it renders stuff in 3d, starting with a quick hack (notice the "lego" graphics) and moving toward replacing shapes with 3d objects. I, instead, am rebuilding a ultima7-like rpg engine from scratch, but in 3d: since I have no graphics, I am using u7 shapes as textures... and trying to make some models by myself.

Ahoy!

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 07:34

by the way, your models seem to be very cool! Unluckily I fear that - although my engine is OpenGl, and thus hardware-accelerated, it couldn't handle such a high polygonage, expecially for the stencil shadows part. To be honest, the thing that made me finally progress into a "later" stage of the engine is that I dropped any attempt to optimization, with the option to optimize everyting in the future...

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net)
Date:   01-07-05 08:32

Hehe, oops. :)

Hmmm, so you've got a bit of a quake: tenebrae like situation. That always had great visuals but choked a bit on my system when I tried it. Strange since Doom3 ran somewhat okay.

I'm sure I could make models that are lower in poly. I was thinking about doing an avatar UT2004 character at some point a while ago, though it was going to be fairly complex with a removable U8 helmet via alpha maps. Maybe I could do a lower poly one alongside it.

Mr. Mathews, further pestering questions: Do you have a variable resolution or is it the same as default exault? What kind of framerates are you getting just mapping to these box models? Do you have a limit on the size and number of texture maps for each model? And how are sprites with no volume handled? I mean things like starbursts and blood. I presume it will always require Exault and can't be run over regular U7 on something like Dos Box? I presume alpha maps will be possible in the same way that the 2d engine genlocks out the space around a sprite? (in otherwords would the transparency be utilized by color or by a second map?)

I don't believe I've seen anyone do something like this. I've seen 3d improvements yes (I was somewhat involved in a failed Deus Ex upgrade project), but not 3d from 2d.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 09:01

Actually it's not that slow: it can run on a geforce 2 with no problems (it's not an FPS after all, I don't need to spit out 1000000 frames per second). High poly models wouldn't fit the oldschool flavour though, and I think that could apply to mr. Mathews' 3d port too.

For me, a human model should be something more than a few boxes sticked together to resemble a humanoid figure :) Anyway! I am making some stuff: tables, chairs and so on - and I will put those at Sam's disposal. Why don't we cooperate to build a common repository of models? MD2 format would be ok for everyone, and then we could easily convert that to our proprietary formats..

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 10:35

ps: have a look at where my skill stops when crafting 3d models...



Sigh. It's a bunch of boxes, but I managed to screw the texturing anyway.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-07-05 10:40

pps: I didn't mean "a human figure should be SOMETHING more than a few boxes" but "a human figure should be NOTHING more than a few boxes". In a word: my ideal human model has a few polygons more than a chair or a table :)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-07-05 13:02

State of the engine:

Models, which represent one shape-frame, are allowed one texture map of any size, as long as the dimensions are a power of 2. Unlimited triangles are allowed, and things like spiderwebs are no problem (just a few triangles linked together, with a texture with lots of transparency). I do not currently have plans to add a particle system, which would be used for current sprite objects such as spell effects. A particle system, however is not out of the question. As for speed, the actual rendering of each 3D model is significantly faster than the rendering for a corresponding "lego" object. There is still a significant bottleneck in rendering speed due to how the Exult graphics engine was originally tied to game timers. I'm still working on disentangling the graphics engine from the game engine, after which I expect to see pretty tremendous speed increases.

State of the models:
I have thusfar completed about 80 models for Exult, including every type of fence, a fully animating and usable water wall, tables, chairs, bookshelves, some plants, and other sundry items. If Andrea would like to share models, that's fine. I'm currently finishing up an Avatar model, and I like how it's looking.

Here's a few sneak-peaks of things to come:


Fences will look better after I put in vertex lighting

The avatar is quite a stud. This texture is scaled down.


-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net)
Date:   01-07-05 13:05

*screams, runs and hides from the scary avatar face*

I like the clothes though, those look good.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: kelley thomas 
Date:   01-07-05 23:12

That's definetly a great job on the Avatar. I've messed around a bit in 3ds Max, and I'm currently learning Poser 3d. So if you would like any help I'd be glad to be of service. I'm more skilled though in skinning. I've made skins for UT to work in maps and models, as well as UT2004 for which I both design maps and mini mods. I've also skinned weapons/characters for the Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy games (of which your avatar would look wicked in wielding a lightsaber!). So if you need help retexturing some of the original art to fit your models better I can help there as well.

Also if ya need a site later on down the road for your project(s), I can design one for you and host it if need be on my domain. You'd get full email accounts, ftp access, custom subdomain with whatever name you want for your project. Just to give you a space to showcase progress without worrying bout paying someone for hosting or using a free web space with limited options.

You both are doing great from the progress I've seen, I definetly look forward to seeing future progress from the both of you.

-kel, ascendence.net

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-08-05 00:42

GREAT job with the Avatar! I definitely like it a lot, absolutely faithful to the U7 image we're used to.

At this point, I have to introduce the subject of external appearance: we've got paperdolling - it's nice mixing up pieces of armor and clothing and seeing what the final result looks like in the "character equip page", right?

Since we're in the 3d field, this should become one thing with the *in game* appearance of the character, there should be no more distinction between the equip page and the character itself, just like in U9.

Since I am not going to implement skeletal animation or other complex solutions, I am thinking of this: there should be a generic human model split in three parts - Head - Torso & Arms - Waist & Legs. On modeling side, you'd have the three parts tied, textured and animated together - but later you'd recombine the tree parts texturing each one with different clothing/armor depending on what the character is wearing (this applies to the head too, so you can easily have different faces for each npc).

At least, that's how I am going to implement it :)
So: Ken - would you perhaps be able to produce an *extremely* lowpoly human model? How I said before, even something that's slightly more than a bunch of boxes for each body part... just to test if this solution is ok, and to popolate the world with a few "loitering" humans (I just finished implementing schedules :) )

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   01-08-05 12:06

ps: Sam, about the models - how are you working out those before you convert them to your proprietary format? I think the "geometry repository" should be built around a generic and easily readable/convertible format like Md2. By the way, my and your objects are also compatible on the texture side for now: 1 texture per geometry, and power of 2 dimensions. My contribute will be really non-existant since I notice that your skills are semiprofessional, while I can't do more than sticking some cubes together or extruding a few faces here and there :( But if you're leaving your models "open source"... well, you will be my saviour! ;)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sslaxx (---.demon.co.uk)
Date:   01-08-05 12:42

Andrea, your name seems familiar - post to the Allegro.cc forums, by any chance?

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-10-05 05:35

Steady progress is being made. I've put in lighting, animation, and made a heck of a lot of organic models so far:


Can you spot the avatar?


I'm going to make some trees and mountains, make a skybox system, and then I hope to work on improving the interface, which is a bit cumbersome in 3D. That's all for now.

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.albacom.net)
Date:   01-10-05 05:47

SSlaxx: Allegro? No, definitely that's not me :)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wcfltx.swbell.net)
Date:   01-10-05 08:00

mmmm, lighting. Tastes like bananas.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net)
Date:   01-10-05 14:14

Question: Not that I expect anyone to do it, but theoretically, couldn't a similar program be applied as a front end to other 2d games? Like utliima 4? People are alsways talking about how good it is, but even though I love 6 and 7 to death I've just never been able to immerse myself in it. Seems to me it'd be even easier since the tile system is simpler.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: gruck (---.eastlink.ca)
Date:   01-10-05 18:41

Once again, I am very impressed. I'd love to help if I thought I could make a useful contribution. Can't wait to see something playable.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   01-11-05 12:48

Very impressive :) Our favourite RPG is getting a massive facelift without the story gutting we say in U9 :P

- Wizardry Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Eris Caffee 
Date:   01-11-05 17:31

A minor question about the 3D work (which is excellent, by the way): do you have any idea how you will deal with items that are intentionally hidden behind other objects? I'm thinking of things like levers hidden behind tombstones, and the like. In the original game, part of the challenge is being able to spot the tiny portion of the lever that is visible, but in a 3D environment, you could simply walk behind the tombstone or what not and find the lever plain as day.

The only solution to this that comes to the top of my head would be to restrict the camera angle to just emulating that of the 2D game, which just doesn't seem acceptable.

Eris

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-11-05 18:07

Eris: Levers will be hard enough to spot as they are. I do not want to restrict camera angles; in fact, I hope to make a first-person mode playable once I get more models in. I'm trying hard to not modify the *game* at all -- I only want to modify the graphics. For this reason, I've rejected (at least for now) suggestions to make mountains extraordinarily high (which would require changes to magic carpet operation), and some other things. Besides, being the only modeller/texturer/programmer leaves me busy enough as it is. :-)

I just finished two dozen stones and one tree! Mmm.

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   01-11-05 19:11

Any chance that someone can compile us Windows losers a preview binayr? :P

- Wizardry Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: ericw (---.hs.telusplanet.net)
Date:   01-11-05 19:35

I fall under the "windows losers" category too..
I dont want to whine; i understand being busy ;), but it would be awesome to play with it a bit.

I'd love to help out at least with polishing a few textures/skins..
My experience is not the greatest, but I did a project of taking a replacement quake texture someone did, and making it look beat-up and worn like I thought it should have :) I'm bored.. so here's the texture..texture project

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-11-05 20:59

The camera interface is so terrible right now, and there are several bugs, that I don't like posting binaries, but I can probably put up a few snapshots.

Here is the binary, a needed file, and several 3D models with textures. I may update this snapshot every now and then, but probably not:

Exult3D Windows

Back up exult.exe, and unzip this folder into your game directory so that it overwrites exult.exe. To enable 3D mode, edit your Exult.cfg and change <Scaler>???</Scaler> to <Scaler>OpenGL</Scaler>. Changing it to OpenGL from the in-game menu might work, but probably won't (for now). Camera movement keys are as follows:

shift-drag mouse - zoom and pan camera
ctrl-drag mouse - rotate camera

I realize that the interface is *terrible* right now, and I'll fix it soon enough.

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: MagicMop 
Date:   01-11-05 22:50

Wow... it actually works in Windows! Very cool! Yes, the camera movement interface is quite fiddly - but the project is showing incredible potential. I'm very pleased that you decided not to fiddle with anything but the graphics - after all, Ultima 7's gameplay is as close to perfect as a game can get.

I'm looking forward to this project becoming an official branch of exult!

Keep up the great work servus... I mean Sam.

MM :)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: gruck (---.eastlink.ca)
Date:   01-12-05 03:35

Pity, it crashes solid for me when I try to journey onwards :(

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: gruck (---.eastlink.ca)
Date:   01-12-05 03:38

Whoops, nevermind. I forgot to replace palette.flx along with the rest of the files. Works now. Sort of.

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 Exult 3D is great
Author: gruck (---.eastlink.ca)
Date:   01-12-05 15:19

So I was fiddling around with the Windows binary. I have got to say, Exult 3D is a lot of fun and is a great project I mean there are still a lot of objects that need models, you can't accurately select objects yet, palettes don't work properly yet. But this project looks great.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   01-12-05 15:32

My Exult 3D doesnt work at all, no boot, nothing. Ive replaced the flx, everything. Any ideas?

- Wizardry Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: avatar_58 (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   01-12-05 17:14

I can't seem to get this working. I put the pallete.flx where it belongs and overwrote the exe but it crashes when I set OpenGL mode from either the in game menu or the config.

Where is the 3dmodels directory supposed to go? Maybe this is the cause? Does this require CVS exult because I'm using 1.2 (i had to run using --nocrc to make it run initially with the new exe)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Dominus 
Date:   01-12-05 18:28

me neither, btw.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: gruck (---.eastlink.ca)
Date:   01-12-05 18:35

I was using CVS Exult. Copy the palette.flx over the palette.flx in the Ultima 7 directory.

You have to run the prompt "exult --nocrc"

Also you seem to have to start a new game, journey onward seems to crash things.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: MagicMop 
Date:   01-12-05 19:16

Yup, what gruck said is what worked for me... :)

MM

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-12-05 19:21

Just a quick note:

For now, switching to OpenGL mode from the game menu does not work.
While Exult is not running, edit exult.cfg and change

<Scaler>
???
</Scaler>

to

<Scaler>
OpenGL
</Scaler>

That's how you change to OpenGL mode for now. This is not supposed to be a preview release, but just a quick snapshot because a lot of people asked. It is expected to be unstable :). The directory structure after you apply the patch should look something like this:

c:\exult\exult.exe
c:\exult\static\palettes.flx
c:\exult\3dmodels\

3D models are not necessary for Exult3D to run. Not even the directory is necessary. Hope this helps. I haven't been programming Exult3D lately because I've been working on models, models, models. I've fixed a lot of the bugs you're noticing in the Linux version, but they're not in the Windows version yet. You may see a better binary later. As a side note, I do not run exult with any parameters such as --nocrc.

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   01-12-05 20:57

I have the installation as you say, and the executable isnt running. No main screen, nothing. Patch 1.2 back over it, and its fine, so I dont understand whats wrong.

- Wizardry Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-12-05 22:41

Wizardry: Try running exult.exe from the command-line and see what sort of error message you get.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Achenar (---.tpgi.com.au)
Date:   01-12-05 22:59

Just in case in helps anyone else out, I also need the --nocrc command-line argument (note the double-dashes) in order for it to work. Could this be something to do with using the CVS version vs. 1.2? (i installed 1.2)

Anyway, I am highly impresed Sam... :) despite the rough edges

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: SB-X 
Date:   01-13-05 05:03

Journey Onward works fine for me. Had to make a shortcut to the program and add --nocrc to the target. (but it looks like not everyone needs that)

Here is my target:
C:\Software\Exult\Exult3d.exe --nocrc --bg --nomenu

Combine that with exult.cfg options
<gameplay>
<skip_intro>yes</skip_intro>
<skip_splash>yes></skip_splash>
</gameplay>
and you get into the game right away.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Dominus 
Date:   01-13-05 05:13

As long as Sam doesn't include the normal exult-generated flx everyone except him has to use the --nocrc switch.

When Exult3D starts the start screen is already messed up for me, meaning I can see the ankh in weird colors but that's it. So I had to start with --bg --nocrc. I can hear the intro starting (but still nothing to see) and when I cancel this I hear the BG-menu music but then Exult crashes with an Access Violation.
stdout tells me
\Games\Exult\shapes\glshape.cc:421 - glGetError()=0x00000000 but then seems to move on.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: wjp 
Date:   01-13-05 05:14

Usually Exult checks at startup if the data files (exult.flx, exult_bg.flx, exult_si.flx) are for the right version of Exult.

--nocrc bypasses that check.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Dominus 
Date:   01-13-05 05:21

ok, with SB-X's hints it works for me.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.albacom.net)
Date:   01-13-05 09:00

I don't know if it might come in hand, but I wrote a little MDL -> MD2 Viewer/converter. Won't you really mind if I feast on your models like a hungry 3d vulture? :)

I am done with the whole world structure, editor, eggs, sort-of-usecode, npc schedule and sound system - but before moving to the hardest parts (combat/magic system) I really want to release a tech demo - and for that I need some eye candy (i.e. models, textures)

Sail ho!

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   01-13-05 09:08

I get no error messages, when I attempt to run exult, it just fails to run. No errors in stderr.txt, so im at a loss. Oddly enough however, I patched it over my RC1 Exult, and it works fine. :P

- Wizardry Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   01-13-05 09:20

So heres the bugs Ive noticed so far, which may be a result of the changes or simply exult bugs thatve been fixed since RC1:

- Quitting Exult3D didnt stop my audio. Using digital if it makes a difference.
- It seemed to choke on my custom city, rendering. This may be a side affect of it not being part of the U7 map, and instead being patch, or may be due to simply having too many NPCs and items (Exult can handle a lot of items).
- The avatar movement is really difficult.
- Camera pans/rotates way too fast for my taste.
- Sometimes the camera is showing the 2nd floor of buildings when the avatar is on the 1st floor.

Just noting what I notice ;)

And Andrea, if you need a usecoder, I have lots of experience with UCC.

- Wizardry Dragon

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: DrCode (the imposter) (82.212.75.---)
Date:   01-14-05 02:26

Keep up the good work.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: DrCode (---.mentorg.com)
Date:   01-14-05 09:25

The previous post is a nice sentiment which I'd agree with, but that wasn't me:-)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: avatar_58 (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   01-14-05 15:55

Ok, I got it to enter the game but only by removing the 3dmodels directory. Whats up with that? Now I can't see the avatar...

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-14-05 19:59

avatar_58: Could you give me some information about your computer and Exult setup? Are you on a big-endian (Apple) machine perchance? Also, could you run it from the command-line and tell me what the last message you get before it crashes? If you're really so inclined, could you run `gdb exult` then do a `bt` when it crashes, and show me what you get?

Thanks,

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: avatar_58 (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   01-14-05 21:07

?

Naw, I'm running an AMD FX-53 2.4 ghz comp using BFG Geforce 6800 GT for video. I don't get any command-line errors...just a simply Illegal Operation in ntdll when I try to run it with that dir in place.

Btw..those camera movements are messed up....I can't seem to get my cursor to listen once I rotate away. :(

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Colourless Dragon 
Date:   01-14-05 21:39

Are you running under 32 bit or 64 bit Windows?

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: avatar_58 (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   01-15-05 00:12

32 bit. heh...I'm not a glutten for beta version windows punishment. Maybe once its done ;)

I'm not sure whats causing this error. It's very strange.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Jammet (---.dynamic.qsc.de)
Date:   01-18-05 07:42

How about using fractal graphics for the mountains? Maybe with grain or some texture all over it? It would probably be simpler to do that than creating models that all look different, and back in the eighties, those fractals in Rescue on Fractalus looked great =^_^=.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   01-18-05 13:11

Mountains look OK without fractal madness. Faster, too!





-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: XxVenomxX(notloggedin) (---.newt1.ct.charter.com)
Date:   01-18-05 13:53

Very impressive! Great work

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Jammet (---.dynamic.qsc.de)
Date:   01-18-05 14:04

=^_^= 's was just an idea anyway. Some randomness as opposed to tilesets. Yes, they look fantastic, very well done =^_^=.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net)
Date:   01-18-05 14:26

Nice.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: avatar_58 (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   01-18-05 20:41

I'm going to be installing Linux Slackware 10 on a 2nd HD so I'll let you know if it works from there ;)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Colourless Dragon 
Date:   01-19-05 04:46

This shot is better

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.albacom.net)
Date:   01-19-05 05:42

WHere can we download the version with mountain models?

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Belial 
Date:   01-20-05 14:24

this is the best thing ive seen since they invented sliced bread. which was quite the step forward. i almost had to change my pants when i saw the avatar in 3d. not that i havent seen him in ascension. my point is i have always thought if your going to make a 3d remake or something along those lines it would make sense to take the time and make it exactly like the original. as in the locations and everything else under the sun. so to see the original game be modified as a 3d game is very very GOOD!!!

-Belial

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Bob Obo 
Date:   02-02-05 10:00

Oi! You'd better not have died on us! If so you'll never hear the end of it...

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: draadje (---.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net)
Date:   02-02-05 18:34

how come there's no <scaler> option in my exult.cgf? :(

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: SB-X 
Date:   02-02-05 20:28

Should be under <video>. Just add it if it's not there.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   02-02-05 22:15

I got a new job with a 200 mile commute. Until I get a new apartment closer to my job, I won't have time for anything. I'm trying to get a closer apartment ASAP.

"I'll be back."

-Sam

P.S. - 500 models made so far.
P.S.S. - Colourless, when's that new graphics subsystem coming? :-)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam Matthews 
Date:   02-02-05 22:31

One more thing... with the current binaries, OpenGL mode only renders as fast as the "FPS" set in the game options. Set that higher for improved performance. Try setting it to, say, 30 or 40, by editing your exult.cfg.

'Night,
-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Skutarth (---.bc.dl.cox.net)
Date:   02-03-05 18:16

Looking sweet. I didn't know you were going to add in models this soon! Keep it up, Sam... Can't wait for a public release!

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Derek Thomas (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   04-04-05 16:15

Overall i think its got some style, good form later in the message. but arn't you worried that a new 3-d look would make the game lose some its orginality? One of the reasons i like ultima 7 is the old school graphics it brings me back to my childhood days of snes games, and you cant find those graphics anywhere. It leaves stuff to the imagination. everything isnt blasted away by high technology. Like for instance final fantsay 10?
ff 3 was the game that made me fall in love with the series, now with the new ones, i feel like the game i thought i knew was actually envisoned as something else when they made it. kind of a bad feeling.

Here's some advice i may be 17 but i know a good game when i see one.
Been playin since age 5. Kind of ruined my life, but hey. anyway back to what i was saying, i know a good game and ultima 7 parts 1 and 2 are good like they are.

Don't change a thing, or at least keep the older versions up.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Tristan de InÚs (---.versanet.de)
Date:   04-05-05 05:09

Nobody is forcing you to use Exult 3D. If you don't like it, leave it.

Sam made quite an impressive "add-on" there and I'm personally very excited about the idea of experiencing U7 in full 3D. I haven't tried it out jet though... still waiting for a more or less stable, "official" release. ;)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: DuckWaffle (---.syd.lnk.nexon.com.au)
Date:   04-11-05 03:01

Hmm... looking through the screenies and seeing the rudimentry models that are in them got me thinking... cant you just steal all the models from Ultima 9? i mean, i know how bad that game was, but i ALSO know that you all bought it, just for the sake of having played the last ultima (no matter how bad it was).

Oh yeah... and this would be all for educational purposes, of couse. now will EA's lawyers please back off?

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: zosX (65.89.206.---)
Date:   04-12-05 06:27

I don't have Ultima IX, and I'm guessing a lot of other people probably don't either. It would be far better to distribute the code with some models as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps Andreas and Sam could work together and share some models, but hey, that's just a suggestion....

Andreas has made some pretty spiffy models!

zos

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.pool8536.interbusiness.it)
Date:   04-12-05 06:50

Sam just handed me his models a few hours ago.

Mine spiffy? Mine are actually far worse than Sam's! Also, all the animals I used are taken from NeverWinter nights: a conversion nightmare which took the combined efforts of WalterMB (A friend of mine who also takes part to the Exult board) and a set of tools I had to write from scratch :D

Spiffy efforts... no spiffy models at all ;)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Caravaggio (---.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net)
Date:   04-14-05 22:10

So it's still going then? Good. I was a little worried with the lack of thread postings there.

Not that it needs to be everyday, but you know how it is. :p

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 code?
Author: me (---.dip.t-dialin.net)
Date:   04-22-05 03:29

Sam,

could you *please* publish the source code?

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Colourless Dragon 
Date:   04-22-05 06:06

As stated in the GPL he has to supply the source to anyone who wants it.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   04-16-06 15:43

Not another spambot. Why the eff do they always seem to dig up this thread?

A small part of me dies everytime I see a reply here thats just a spambot reply, I eagerly hope Sam Matthews will post his source code so that, if nothing else, others can carry on the torch, because it was a promising project.

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Peter M Dodge aka Wizardry Dragon
Lead Designer
Ultima VII: The Feudal Lands

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: EviLore (69.182.103.---)
Date:   04-19-06 13:56

I've tried several times to get into U7; it's one of my favorite kinds of games, but the perspective in the original engine just doesn't work for me, and I unfortunately find it unplayable because of that (no disrespect). I had such hopes for the 3d engine project, and I wish someone would continue it...

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Sam (---.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   04-19-06 22:04

Ya know... I've released the source a few times. wjp even glared at me :) - http://www.google.com/search?q=exult3d+patch pulls up a relevant patch on its first hit, and a little more Googling can show that versions of the 3D source have been floating around for quite a while...

Here is a slightly more official patch:

http://www.sammatthews.com/files/Exult14CVS_3D.zip
http://www.sammatthews.com/files/Exult14CVS_3D-3dmodels.rar

Use the diff contained in Exult14CVS_3D.zip against Exult 1.4 CVS, and add the two source files to the source root. I made the patch itself with WinDiff. Good luck!

Exult14CVS_3D-3dmodels.rar, while optional, contains a lot of compiled replacement models and textures for a lot of shapes, including most mountainsides, the Avatar, and Iolo. Put the 3dmodels directory into the same directory as your executable.

If you need the 3D Model source models (in 3D Studio Max 3 format), or the 3DSMAX3 export plugin, let me know (the source files are relatievly huge).

The only thing left before Exult3D is done is to fix up the awful camera control.

Good luck compiling! Heh heh heh. No, really!

-Sam

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: ************ (---.server.ntli.net)
Date:   04-20-06 04:50

This is very good news Sam!
I'm waiting very patiently!

Regards,

Matt

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Paladin (213.42.2.---)
Date:   04-22-06 22:02

Fantastic, this is even better than the graphics in Ultima IX! :D

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Gruck (---.nas941.a-nagoya.nttpc.ne.jp)
Date:   04-23-06 02:32

Hey can someone post some new screenshots to this thread? I`m currently personal computer deficient and would love to see some new screenshots.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   04-23-06 15:14

Ditto, I'd like to see some screenies and don't feel like trashing my Exult install :P

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Peter M Dodge aka Wizardry Dragon
Lead Designer,
Ultima VII: The Feudal Lands

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: pho (---.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net)
Date:   04-25-06 15:16

so who wants to post a binary? :D

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Snori (194.84.2.---)
Date:   05-18-06 09:28

So, is there any hope for the win binary? Or at least some kind of manual?
btw, I think a fellow *nix user could make an .exe in a few minutes.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.pool8836.interbusiness.it)
Date:   06-05-06 04:44

Not directly related to Exult3D ... I can't find my old topic about, anyway we're progressing with our U7-and-Exult-inspired 3d game and at long last we've got a movie to show (along with some new screenshots)

Just check the homepage at
http://ashes.lalista.org



ps.

For the Nth time I have to thanks the Exult team for the algorithmic helping hand they lent me in the last year: if stuff is walking and moving in the movie, it's mostly thank to Dr.Code's efforts to make me understand the basics of A* :)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: SB-X 
Date:   06-05-06 05:12

That's marvelous! Your character models/textures have really improved since last year. The black outlines could use anti-aliasing. Have you tried thickening the outlines? The only wierd things I noticed are details I'm sure you already know about. (movement jumpiness at the start, and the lack of shadows cast on objects)
Great music BTW.

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Dominus 
Date:   06-05-06 06:14

Let me direct further discussion of ashes over to it's own forum http://www.xenus-hq.net/ashes_forum/index.php
News on this project IS appreciated and welcome here (I like the looks of it a lot), but not in other threads :)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Andrea B Previtera (---.pool8836.interbusiness.it)
Date:   06-05-06 06:19

SoWWy Dominus :) I forget we have our own forum now and then (really!)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Dominus 
Date:   06-05-06 06:38

:)

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Gruck (---.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp)
Date:   06-10-06 05:58

I love your engine. The game looks like a cartoon jumping out and attacking me in the middle of the night. LOVE!

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Wizardry Dragon (72.1.195.---)
Date:   06-14-06 09:27

*chants*

Screenshots!
Screenshots!
Screenshots!

--------
Peter M Dodge aka Wizardry Dragon
Lead Designer,
Ultima VII: The Feudal Lands

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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: Petrell 
Date:   06-14-06 21:19

Exult3D or Ashes?

Ashes : Two Worlds Collide

Exult3D

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Obsibian Dragon
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 Re: Exult3D R2
Author: wjp 
Date:   06-21-06 02:07

Freezing this thread because of its length and because it's a favourite target of spammers. Please open a new thread if you want to continue discussion on this topic.

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