Author: Pegbyter
Date: 06-08-13 12:37
Again, I'm trying to keep things mostly canon. There's where our fundamental differences lie.
Most everything save for what we discussed way back in the beginning has a basis in Earth Legends or in the latter case; recent TV Greek Mythology.. (Bogus as it may be, it's still based in Greek Mythology.) Like I said; I really do like a lot of the ideas being floated... Again, i'm just trying to avoid Earth based religion & mythological concepts simply because this isn't Earth...
We can avoid that by infusing into the story all the things that made Britannia great instead over the life of the series instead. By taking what we already know about the dead and how the system operates and integrating things from there... For instance, I love your idea of having the Triad of evil and their minions forever trapped down there.. It's Genius!
Even the Avatar has used the Etherial Void since U4 until LB gets around to Resurrecting him... Granted the void didn't factor much into things back then, save for the Avatar finding himself there upon dying. That's why I allow leeway, because that's canon.
The above reasons are why I suggested a 'Shrine of All Virtue' as the culminating quest because it stays true to the series.. Nothing more, nothing less.. Just that simple.
Yes, all spirits ultimately go the void; that's established canon. And that's why starting from there and greatly expanding on it will work nicely. Up until U6 it was a given that the dead forever wandered Britannia as Ghosts.. Ala Quenton, and all the evil ghosts, most of which took up residence in the dungeons... The living imprint in the Bloody Plains, etc...
That's why when Batlin met 'Caine' the Tortured one in Skara Brae; his sanity took a nosedive because the only answer he got from pestering Caine about the questions of life and death is that there "Were no answers.".. Apparently even the quite dead Cain was under the impression there weren't any because he was being tortured by the memories of what he'd done to the city and couldn't deal with what he'd done. He even tells the Avatar that once he's solved the Skara Brae Quest.. But, even Mordra admitted he was only trapping himself in his own nightmare.. (And hence couldn't escape to the void in my mind)
Of course, there wouldn't have been a 'Fellowship' if Baltin had just talked to Mordra first instead and found that indeed, there were answers.. Alas I digress..
None of this was really revealed until it was mentioned by the restored Horrance in U7 that all souls eventually flee to the Etherial Void once released.. Unless they stay behind for a reason; like Quenton hanging around to watch over Marney; and get justice for his murder, etc... The evil dead hang around for revenge on the living; as is classically seen. So we should use these elements in the mod..
What I didn't like about U9 was that they skewed everything by using the long destroyed well as a simple 'slip n slide' tunnel into and out of the Netherworld.. Since it was destroyed 200 years earlier and was simply an empty well, when the Avatar jumps in he should promptly slam his head on a dry well bed.
Instead in U9, he jumps in and and 'poof', instant Netherworld.. To leave, he simply climbs back out the well; and poof! He's back, without so much as a hangover to show for it! He didn't even get inconvenienced with having to leave his physical body behind.. Even Shamino stuck his physical self in there in stasis.. Again, ridiculous even by U9 standards... Well, that was U9; I guess nothing is ridiculous!
But this is the important part, save the dialog patch, U9 either completely abandoned canon or retconned it where convenient. And that's why people hated U9.. I seriously just don't want the same thing to happen to your mod...
Ultima has a rich history... Origin's developers forgot that somewhere along the way and the players balked..
I'm merely suggesting that we draw from established canon and use that as our touchstone.. That doesn't mean we can't go wild with some of the ideas down there! Indeed, lets do that; but also base it in Britannian and SI mythology..
I guess I wind up a purest after all when it comes to canon...
At least; most of it.. I never said there wasn't room for changes!
And believe you me, I prefer to pretend that U7 part 2 was the end of the series.. (at least until U9 Redemption comes out)
Author: janna's curse
"Hmm, was done on a show, guess that means I couldn't use the idea... for some reason. Guess we'll have to rename Britannia since earth already has one. And it's encyclopedia :) It's been done before. A little earlier I addressed the dying down there part. Any more ideas I should avoid? I'm starting to have the feeling there will be more.. for some reason."
Um... I'm honestly not trying to be a ass here; really! Please don't take my comments as being negative or dissenting to every single idea you have.. That's not what i'm doing.. I'm not bashing you here... In all seriousness... My Honest Apologies if you think i'm purposely trying to be a killjoy of everything you've put forward... Believe me, I love your ideas... It'll make a great mod! We just need to rework and expand U9's well of souls concept, clean it up, and add a ton of stuff to it to make it plausible.. Yes, use the sky as the limit! Lets do all this while keeping mindful of established canon so we keep it real to the series so we don't go to far out in left field and alienate players.. That's all I'm saying..
As far as the Xena episode is concerned.. I merely pointed out that someone else already thought of the idea and used it in on Xena. Nothing more, nothing less.
If the Mod had ended up in that direction I didn't want the more savvy players thinking in the back of their heads that it was being lifted from tv instead of being mostly original... Lets face it. Most of the people that play these types of games are fans of those types of series and AD&D, etc.. Since they are based on roughly the same elements.. Myself included; and that's why I was able to pick up on it in 2 seconds.. (And no, I don't have it on DVD. It's been years since I've seen that series.)
Again, my sincerest apologies.
Peg.
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